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	<title>Comments on: Roman Keller&#8217;s Themes Part Two</title>
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	<description>Where everything starts with an E - Nokia E50, E51, E60, E61, E61i, E62, E65, E66, E70 E71 and E90</description>
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		<title>By: M. Sathya Prasad</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-51985</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Sathya Prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good ol' Roman Keller
His themes are a real killer
Here comes my gratitude
May your fame reach greater altitude
Thanks dude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good ol&#8217; Roman Keller<br />
His themes are a real killer<br />
Here comes my gratitude<br />
May your fame reach greater altitude<br />
Thanks dude</p>
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		<title>By: admin</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46993</link>
		<dc:creator>admin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 23:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wogue,
Simply set your application manager to accept "all" instead of "only cerfified" then it is work.:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wogue,<br />
Simply set your application manager to accept &#8220;all&#8221; instead of &#8220;only cerfified&#8221; then it is work.:-D</p>
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		<title>By: wogue</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46982</link>
		<dc:creator>wogue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 20:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you notice, that non of these themes provided on this strange page have a working certifcate? nice but rubbish :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you notice, that non of these themes provided on this strange page have a working certifcate? nice but rubbish <img src='http://www.e-series.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rome</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46968</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 13:48:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, it wasn't a rant, Timmy. Your points were valid. I also liked the image for Green Cubic but not the entire theme, so I'm back with Nokia's Red Dots. It's clear Roman put a lot of work into these, though, so he deserves some credit for sure.

Pranab, what happens when you try to install the theme? If it's a certificate error or expiry, check out this http://www.e-series.org/archives/432</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, it wasn&#8217;t a rant, Timmy. Your points were valid. I also liked the image for Green Cubic but not the entire theme, so I&#8217;m back with Nokia&#8217;s Red Dots. It&#8217;s clear Roman put a lot of work into these, though, so he deserves some credit for sure.</p>
<p>Pranab, what happens when you try to install the theme? If it&#8217;s a certificate error or expiry, check out this <a href="http://www.e-series.org/archives/432" rel="nofollow">http://www.e-series.org/archives/432</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pranab Bose</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46866</link>
		<dc:creator>Pranab Bose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 11:14:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you please guide me how to install the themes ? I tried several times but couldnt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you please guide me how to install the themes ? I tried several times but couldnt.</p>
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		<title>By: M. Sathya Prasad</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46837</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Sathya Prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 03:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I am just curious to know as to what our venerable Mr. Roman Keller has got to say about all these discussions and view-points. Would also appreciate a few points from "ed".

Thanks and regards,
Prasad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I am just curious to know as to what our venerable Mr. Roman Keller has got to say about all these discussions and view-points. Would also appreciate a few points from &#8220;ed&#8221;.</p>
<p>Thanks and regards,<br />
Prasad</p>
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		<title>By: tengborleng</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46824</link>
		<dc:creator>tengborleng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 01:36:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i would like to thank you for sharing this themes specially the cubic 1 theme. really like it a lot.. greetings to all =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would like to thank you for sharing this themes specially the cubic 1 theme. really like it a lot.. greetings to all =)</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy.O2L</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46784</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy.O2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 17:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough Tony!  I do understand your points and hopefully you see what I'm getting at as well.  I think "to each his own" sums it up best for me as well.  I really enjoy the Blue Cubic 2 and Green Cubic 2 ones, but I'm sure they aren't for everyone.  Thanks for the discussion, and sorry for my lengthy rants, I have a tough time keeping it short and sweet!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough Tony!  I do understand your points and hopefully you see what I&#8217;m getting at as well.  I think &#8220;to each his own&#8221; sums it up best for me as well.  I really enjoy the Blue Cubic 2 and Green Cubic 2 ones, but I&#8217;m sure they aren&#8217;t for everyone.  Thanks for the discussion, and sorry for my lengthy rants, I have a tough time keeping it short and sweet!</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rome</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46780</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 16:25:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Timmy, it wasn't clear from your original post that Roman used the full Nokia theme software. The fact that it looked like he didn't sums up the problem! The Nokia themes are the only ones I've found which don't suffer from inconsistencies or unreadable elements and have well thought-out designs. Also, re Nokia's use of the same set of icons, well they did create these icons in the first place! That's entirely different from someone creating a theme of their own but then using icons from someone else. Whatever the arguments, I've been through at least 30 themes from various creators and I'm now back with Nokia's own bundled themes because they're so much better. That sums it up for me but each to his own, eh? ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Timmy, it wasn&#8217;t clear from your original post that Roman used the full Nokia theme software. The fact that it looked like he didn&#8217;t sums up the problem! The Nokia themes are the only ones I&#8217;ve found which don&#8217;t suffer from inconsistencies or unreadable elements and have well thought-out designs. Also, re Nokia&#8217;s use of the same set of icons, well they did create these icons in the first place! That&#8217;s entirely different from someone creating a theme of their own but then using icons from someone else. Whatever the arguments, I&#8217;ve been through at least 30 themes from various creators and I&#8217;m now back with Nokia&#8217;s own bundled themes because they&#8217;re so much better. That sums it up for me but each to his own, eh? <img src='http://www.e-series.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: M. Sathya Prasad</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46730</link>
		<dc:creator>M. Sathya Prasad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:15:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting discussions. Both of you have valid points and am happy that the discussion is happening in such a decent manner. Healthy technical debates are always enlightening and the discussion on themes is indeed enlightening. I, for one, learnt a lot just by reading the points and counter points.

Thanks folks,
Prasad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting discussions. Both of you have valid points and am happy that the discussion is happening in such a decent manner. Healthy technical debates are always enlightening and the discussion on themes is indeed enlightening. I, for one, learnt a lot just by reading the points and counter points.</p>
<p>Thanks folks,<br />
Prasad</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy.O2L</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46630</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy.O2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tony Rome:

I'm sorry, I mustn't have been clear in my post; Roman's themes WERE created using the Nokia software, as there is no way to apply a full sized image and/or colour scheme without using the software to create the theme.  In fact, out of all the options that the software gives you, the only thing Roman didn't include is new icons.  If we are to assume there are approximately a dozen different options, Roman used eleven of them.  I would think that using 90% of the options should have it qualify as a theme, no?

Also, the reason I point out the difficulty of the software is not to imply that adding icons would be difficult (in fact that is one of the easier things to do), it was to imply the overall difficulty of simply creating the themes that Roman created.  I can't speak for Roman, but I assume the reason he didn't add icons was:
a) he didn't want to use some type of image editing software to make them;
b) he couldn't find/make any that he felt matched the theme nicely;
c) he wanted to retain the premier functionality of the device.

The last thing I want to mention is that my device (E62) came pre-installed with three themes from Nokia (Nokia, DarkStripes and Steel).  When switching between these themes my icons do not change and really, all that does change is "the background image and colour scheme".  Based on your comments, Nokia's own themes are not actually themes.  

Maybe Nokia should have named the folder "Backgrounds/Colour Schemes/Themes", however, they didn't.  The chose to name it "Themes", and by their own definition, with their sample themes as proof, Roman Keller has created packages definable as themes.  

Once again, I apologize if this post comes across as arrogant or pretentious.  Even upon reading it myself I can see it being perceived that way.  That is the biggest issue with text communication, however I assure you that there is no malice intended on my part.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tony Rome:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry, I mustn&#8217;t have been clear in my post; Roman&#8217;s themes WERE created using the Nokia software, as there is no way to apply a full sized image and/or colour scheme without using the software to create the theme.  In fact, out of all the options that the software gives you, the only thing Roman didn&#8217;t include is new icons.  If we are to assume there are approximately a dozen different options, Roman used eleven of them.  I would think that using 90% of the options should have it qualify as a theme, no?</p>
<p>Also, the reason I point out the difficulty of the software is not to imply that adding icons would be difficult (in fact that is one of the easier things to do), it was to imply the overall difficulty of simply creating the themes that Roman created.  I can&#8217;t speak for Roman, but I assume the reason he didn&#8217;t add icons was:<br />
a) he didn&#8217;t want to use some type of image editing software to make them;<br />
b) he couldn&#8217;t find/make any that he felt matched the theme nicely;<br />
c) he wanted to retain the premier functionality of the device.</p>
<p>The last thing I want to mention is that my device (E62) came pre-installed with three themes from Nokia (Nokia, DarkStripes and Steel).  When switching between these themes my icons do not change and really, all that does change is &#8220;the background image and colour scheme&#8221;.  Based on your comments, Nokia&#8217;s own themes are not actually themes.  </p>
<p>Maybe Nokia should have named the folder &#8220;Backgrounds/Colour Schemes/Themes&#8221;, however, they didn&#8217;t.  The chose to name it &#8220;Themes&#8221;, and by their own definition, with their sample themes as proof, Roman Keller has created packages definable as themes.  </p>
<p>Once again, I apologize if this post comes across as arrogant or pretentious.  Even upon reading it myself I can see it being perceived that way.  That is the biggest issue with text communication, however I assure you that there is no malice intended on my part.</p>
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		<title>By: Bloke</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46534</link>
		<dc:creator>Bloke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 11:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good post timmy! :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post timmy! <img src='http://www.e-series.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Tony Rome</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46532</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony Rome</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 10:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am far from ignorant, Timmy, and if you read my comments again, you will see that you've actually confirmed their accuracy! Roman's 'themes' are not themes, they are a background image and a new colour scheme, whereas, as you correctly point out, a proper theme is one created using the special Nokia software. Yes, it is difficult to use that software but it's the only way you'll get a really satisfactory result. That's not ignorance, it's fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am far from ignorant, Timmy, and if you read my comments again, you will see that you&#8217;ve actually confirmed their accuracy! Roman&#8217;s &#8216;themes&#8217; are not themes, they are a background image and a new colour scheme, whereas, as you correctly point out, a proper theme is one created using the special Nokia software. Yes, it is difficult to use that software but it&#8217;s the only way you&#8217;ll get a really satisfactory result. That&#8217;s not ignorance, it&#8217;s fact.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy.O2L</title>
		<link>http://www.e-series.org/archives/439#comment-46335</link>
		<dc:creator>Timmy.O2L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 21:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@damnson and Tony Rome:

I understand where you're coming from, however I must disagree completely, and here is why:

Firstly, you are both harping on the fact that this is not a "theme" because the definition of "theme" includes icon packs etc.  The thing is, you are being too literal.  

damnson, you claim that these are simply backgrounds.  I would like you to take an image on your phone and apply it as your background.  You may notice that it only fills a small portion of the screen, rather than the entire 320x240 pixels, no matter what the image resolution is.  This is what Nokia defines as a "background".  Perhaps Apple and Microsoft have a different definition, but we aren't referring to a PC or Mac, we are referring to a cellular phone.  The ONLY way to change the bars at the top and bottom of the screen that fall behind the signal strength/battery life and your left and right icons is by creating a theme with Nokia's software.  

This brings me to my next point:  it is far more difficult to create a theme for this device than it is to make a computer desktop theme.  I know this because I have tried on many occasions, and while I have come up with a few ok ones, none of them are publish-worthy.  The ones that Roman Keller has made for us would likely take you or I hours upon hours to create.  In fact, I challenge you to make one that is even comparable to his, let alone superior.  

As far as different icons/functionality is concerned, I have installed upwards of one hundred different themes on my E62 and the sad fact is that it just can't handle non-optimized icons very well.  It is undeniable that a theme with too many bells and whistles slows the device down.  Now in saying that, some people might not care.  Personally, I prefer that my device run the way it was meant to.

Roman's themes succeed on every level that a good theme should.  They are (extremely, in my opinion) aesthetically pleasing, non-obtrusive and most importantly, do not hamper the functionality of my device.  You may not find them pleasing to the eye, but that is personal preference.  Where you are both wrong however, is that these are indeed themes, and damn good ones.

Constructive criticism is always a good thing, but writing someones effort off as "simply putting a background image and a new colour scheme on the phone" (as Tony Rome did) is not only destructive, it is ignorant.  As the old cliché goes: "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

damnson and Tony Rome, I'm sorry if this comes across as an attack, as it is not meant to be.  I just wish to bring to light some things that non-theme makers might not know.  Roman Keller has no obligation to us to make these themes, just as Ed has no obligation to host this site.  I think sometimes it's nice to remember that.

Thank you Roman Keller for continuing to make my device fresh and even more appealing, and thank you Ed for continuing to bring these wonderful themes to our attention.

And that concludes War &#38; Peace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@damnson and Tony Rome:</p>
<p>I understand where you&#8217;re coming from, however I must disagree completely, and here is why:</p>
<p>Firstly, you are both harping on the fact that this is not a &#8220;theme&#8221; because the definition of &#8220;theme&#8221; includes icon packs etc.  The thing is, you are being too literal.  </p>
<p>damnson, you claim that these are simply backgrounds.  I would like you to take an image on your phone and apply it as your background.  You may notice that it only fills a small portion of the screen, rather than the entire 320&#215;240 pixels, no matter what the image resolution is.  This is what Nokia defines as a &#8220;background&#8221;.  Perhaps Apple and Microsoft have a different definition, but we aren&#8217;t referring to a PC or Mac, we are referring to a cellular phone.  The ONLY way to change the bars at the top and bottom of the screen that fall behind the signal strength/battery life and your left and right icons is by creating a theme with Nokia&#8217;s software.  </p>
<p>This brings me to my next point:  it is far more difficult to create a theme for this device than it is to make a computer desktop theme.  I know this because I have tried on many occasions, and while I have come up with a few ok ones, none of them are publish-worthy.  The ones that Roman Keller has made for us would likely take you or I hours upon hours to create.  In fact, I challenge you to make one that is even comparable to his, let alone superior.  </p>
<p>As far as different icons/functionality is concerned, I have installed upwards of one hundred different themes on my E62 and the sad fact is that it just can&#8217;t handle non-optimized icons very well.  It is undeniable that a theme with too many bells and whistles slows the device down.  Now in saying that, some people might not care.  Personally, I prefer that my device run the way it was meant to.</p>
<p>Roman&#8217;s themes succeed on every level that a good theme should.  They are (extremely, in my opinion) aesthetically pleasing, non-obtrusive and most importantly, do not hamper the functionality of my device.  You may not find them pleasing to the eye, but that is personal preference.  Where you are both wrong however, is that these are indeed themes, and damn good ones.</p>
<p>Constructive criticism is always a good thing, but writing someones effort off as &#8220;simply putting a background image and a new colour scheme on the phone&#8221; (as Tony Rome did) is not only destructive, it is ignorant.  As the old cliché goes: &#8220;if you don&#8217;t have anything nice to say, don&#8217;t say anything at all.&#8221;</p>
<p>damnson and Tony Rome, I&#8217;m sorry if this comes across as an attack, as it is not meant to be.  I just wish to bring to light some things that non-theme makers might not know.  Roman Keller has no obligation to us to make these themes, just as Ed has no obligation to host this site.  I think sometimes it&#8217;s nice to remember that.</p>
<p>Thank you Roman Keller for continuing to make my device fresh and even more appealing, and thank you Ed for continuing to bring these wonderful themes to our attention.</p>
<p>And that concludes War &amp; Peace.</p>
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